DART? POMPANO? PERMIT?

I am sitting down here in the bush trying to sort out a question....is this a permit???...it is a pompano?..and I believe a small spotted or black spotted dart???? and I think Trachinotus baillonii. (see list below)

Jack White with his fish.

Some of you might remember some years ago the debate (argument) over the issue of what was a permit. There was different opinions up here when some of us caught the snub nosed dart calling them permit and others argued that they were not in fact permit.  The 'Permit' and darts come from the 'Pompano'family apparently of which, according to records there are around twenty types..these are listed below...

 The 20 currently recognized species in this genus are:^[1]

• Trachinotus africanus J. L. B. Smith, 1967 (southern pompano)
• Trachinotus anak J. D. Ogilby, 1909 (oyster pompano)
• Trachinotus baillonii (Lacépède, 1801) (smallspotted dart)
• Trachinotus blochii (Lacépède, 1801) (snubnose pompano)
• Trachinotus botla (G. Shaw, 1803) (largespotted dart)
• Trachinotus carolinus (Linnaeus, 1766) (Florida pompano)
• Trachinotus cayennensis G. Cuvier, 1832 (Cayenne pompano)
• Trachinotus coppingeri Günther, 1884 (swallowtail dart)
• Trachinotus falcatus (Linnaeus, 1758) (permit)
• Trachinotus goodei D. S. Jordan & Evermann, 1896 (palometa)
• Trachinotus goreensis G. Cuvier, 1832 (longfin pompano)
• Trachinotus kennedyi Steindachner, 1876 (blackblotch pompano)
• Trachinotus marginatus G. Cuvier, 1832 (plata pompano)
• Trachinotus maxillosus G. Cuvier, 1832 (Guinean pompano)
• Trachinotus mookalee G. Cuvier, 1832 (Indian pompano)
• Trachinotus ovatus (Linnaeus, 1758) (pompano)
• Trachinotus paitensis G. Cuvier, 1832 (Paloma pompano)
• Trachinotus rhodopus T. N. Gill, 1863 (gafftopsail pompano)
• Trachinotus stilbe (D. S. Jordan & E. A. McGregor, 1899) (steel pompano)
• Trachinotus teraia G. Cuvier, 1832 (shortfin pompano)

This list and others have the  Trachinotus falcatus   whereas other sites list the Trachinotus goodei         as the only actual 'permit', all the others have different names, but in Australia other different pompanos are considered permit, like  Trachinotus anak   and   Trachinotus baillonii . BLOODY CONFUSING HEY??

Then there is this on the scientific fishing pages..which indicated pompano are also classified as permit the way I read it.....

    

1. Pompano

   Fish

1. Scientific name: Trachinotus
2. Rank: Genus
3. Higher classification: Carangidae
4. Lower classifications: Permit

  For me, the fish like many others that were disallowed in the past through argument, it is a Permit, maybe not the Permit, but still a permit. 

The Bassett's

"Lizzie River" sea trials!

Fitted new fuel lines to the boat the other day so a sea trial in sight of land required, "Lizzie River" fitted the bill. All good with the fuel system but could not pass up the acres of Queenfish busting up around the islands at the river mouth. 

Launched at 6.45am, pulled out at 8.30am, 15 Queenies in the boat, smallest 50cms, largest 62cms. NT must be short for "Fishing Heaven"!

No camera on-board, sea trial run!!! 

Remember; "You'll never never know, if you never never go." Get out there and fish!

Tight  lines
Jim Churchley

GETTING HOT IN BYNOE

If this blog doesn't post properly, you can blame my little mini laptop....it has something called and Intel Atom in it, but that should read Intel Alzheimer I think, because I takes everything in, but then slows down and looses it somewhere in the web!!! leaving a message that it is not responding....might just be me?

We are at Bynoe Haven for a few weeks, though travelling back and forward on some days, so should get plenty of fishing in.  Arrived down here last Sunday and the Hagleys were here with Lord Jim.  Di was really into the fish too and I think Lord Jim is trying to get the photo's for a little report.  Barra seemed scarcer than usual though, and even though we got onto them, they were few and far between.  There were schools of wolf herring all over, some only about six inches long and others about two feet. ( sorry I'm a dinosaur and still relate to feet and inches)  Schools of queenies around too, Jim filled his boat with them then got onto the barra, and macs around, one was 1.3 metres.

Lyle and Greg O'Reilly were out there too, we dined with them a couple of nights, and bored Greg with tales of the fishing etc. in the past.  All true of course.

It was hot out on the water and in most spots the temperature of the water was 32C or more.  Big blue salmon on some flats, and around Knife Island there was a school of big queenies and trevally, but they were hard to follow and only came up now and then.  The jelly prawns are starting up since the rain, and on one flat that was alive with them, there were tarpon, both salmons and barra chopping through them, they were good size barra too, and a couple jumped completely out of the water chasing the jellies.

Barra liked the simple white clousers with a thin blue centre line

This  blue took an all silver vampire.

We had a selection of flies, but the simple white clousers with a bit of subtle colour in them proved the best. I just got some EP fibre in white and light blue, I tied a couple of clousers with this stuff but they didn't impress me because they looked rather dull, so I only made the two, but it was this fly that caught six of the old species on our first day out there. We used other similar flies while one of us was fishing with the EP one, but it was the favourite of the fish.   Will tie some more with this stuff just to see if it wasn't a fluke.

A few of the flies, the two EP ones are in the box top right and they are the two under the red headed ones, they look a bit thicker and stubbier too.

If I can get this computer to stop dropping out, we will send more soon.